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there's nothing white people can add to discourse about racism

this was something we had to realise a long time ago

so shut up and listen to POC

especially the shut up part

they are the ones who should speak on racism, not white folks

you can't add anything to this discussion because it's not yours, you aren't affected to be honest, /they/ are

you might mean well but you're not helping

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best things white people can do:

1) listen

2) tell other white people to listen

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It isn't an easy thing for white people to be told "you're not the victim here," because a lot of people want to have sympathy and solidarity.

Sympathy and solidarity are fine but be mindful you are not experiencing any of this directly.

They are.

And be mindful the racist system benefits you on their backs.

In that context, what could you possibly say? That it's fucked up and wrong? No shit it's wrong. But if you're not directly affected, you can't say much more than that. Even if you heard it from a POC, point people to them, don't pretend to be enlightened and that you're doing a good thing for them, that's what colonialists do. You're silencing them to say your piece instead.

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There is one thing white people can do though and it is to draw attention to a little-known injustice from POC/ethnic groups that have low to no representation in the place they're at. But, that discussion without a POC voice to point to is incomplete at best. Otherwise, your perspective will always be second-hand, and no matter how good your intentions are, you're bound to get it wrong, or worse, sound like you're talking over someone who desperately needs a voice. Give them a megaphone, don't just read what they wrote and repeat it.

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@Elizafox yeah. tbh we always stay away from racism discourse unless it's something that we're able to change about how we interact with the world, because the likelihood of us treading on any toes just by being oblivious about something, or talking over black people, is much too high.

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@alexandria @Elizafox I think of it like talking about climate change when you don't really know anything about climate science

Or fighting fires when you're not a firefighter

Or really anything you don't actually have real knowledge about

(And in this case, the only real way to get that knowledge is to have lived that experience)

(And I think the same goes for sexism, ableism, etc. etc.)

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@codepuppy @Elizafox hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm idk how much that analogy holds up because people convince other people that climate change is true/false every day without being climate scientists. Same for firefighting, I think most kids know the basics. Whereas with racism colour-blindness seems to be the assumed and taught default. I was legit 16 or 17 when I saw the blue eyes / brown eyes video and got taught that being colour-blind, is, in fact, a form of racism. I don't think most people are exposed to that?

At least, it's worse here in the UK because knowledge of the riots and the poc people killed is just something that has been completely and utterly forgotten. I was even older before I learned about the Bristol Riot and... I was going to name a specific and completely heinious incident but I can't even remember his name and google brings up nothing when I search for it, which I guess demonstrates just how bad it is in the UK.

But, nitpicking aside I totally get your point and agree with the core meaning, that's exactly what I was trying to communicate too.

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@codepuppy @Elizafox Also sorry if this comes off as a "well aktchually" it's like 4am and I can't tell if it seems like that or not

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@Elizafox I'm starting to think Mastodon is really a far left social platform. Kind of like that other platform...

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@jordan31 @Elizafox "White people" and some stuff .. feels wrong. It's still prejudice. People aren't allowed to have an opinion because of who they had no choice in being? I'm not white/am a minority; my parents literally survived a war and poverty .. and I don't agree with this anti-white mindset .. or anti-anyone really. You can listen and have opinions. You need to have both. One-directional hierarchies are part of the problem. Once y is on top, is x bad?

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@Elizafox
Once you've ventured into telling someone they're not allowed to have an opinion based solely on the color of their skin, then you're the racist. Fuck off with nonsense.
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