@xenophora @Elizafox money has to get out of politics

A-political is very political too, and it is hard for the news -, movie -, game industry. Who are celebrities is largely affected by choices about who to put in a movie and such. (btw any movie hat basically gets free material to lend from the army goes through their filter)

There used to be anti-trust laws splitting media companies up when they got too big.

@jasper @Elizafox

[sigh] Yeah. I was just grumbling offline to somebody the other day that apparently we need yet *another* Rambo movie. But... still no word on when that big-budget movie about the Vietnam War made by/for/about the Vietnamese is coming out. :/

@xenophora there was like a prestigious documentary about Vietnam by Ken Burns? Haven't seen it, usually like FAIR.
https://fair.org/home/ken-burns-vietnam-war-an-object-lesson-in-the-failures-of-the-objective-lens/

Not the same as a big shot movie, though.

@jasper

Yeah that was the one my friend recommended, too.

@jasper @xenophora @Elizafox money and politics are inextricably tied together, because there is no capitalism without government. government manufactures politics. they privately own the means to do so.

@lyliawisteria @xenophora @Elizafox there are definitely degrees of corporate/wealthy elite involvement in government.

Although maybe there are different ways, like more via lobbyists and campaign funding, or more via social milieus and implied ally-ship. And i suppose i.e. Bezos funding WaPo should be counted.

Also to consider that if there is less popular resistance, probably less pressure is needed to capitalists to get their things passed..

@xenophora @Elizafox

This is a terrible take.


Most of the people who express this take are people who don't like that a significant number of outspoken celebrities aren't expressing conservative opinions.

Celebrities are individuals and have the right to express their opinions like anybody else.

@Aerdan @Elizafox

They have the right. But I maintain that most are spoiled, small-minded toads with terrible judgment'/ethics, so there's a better than 75% chance that we'd all be better off if they just kept quiet.

And I'm not a conservative. I'm probably well to the left of most celebs and their Col Flagg cosplay where they whine about Putin putting cyanide in their tooth polish or some shit.

@xenophora @Elizafox

So you don't have any specific examples of celebrities who need to shut up and sing, huh? Really?

Go on, name me some names.

@Aerdan @Elizafox

You're being pretty combative here, considering that all I said was that I *wish* these people would put a sock in it, NOT that I expected them to.

I suspect that however many I named, it would not be enough for you, but hey we could start with an easy option like *Every fucking Kardashian* and possibly every Trek actor ever. (I've seen Shatner, Wheaton, and Sirtis all make major asses of themselves online, for instance.)

@xenophora @Elizafox

Not only are they entitled to make asses of themselves, they also aren’t (usually) spreading misinformation the way, say, the anti-vaxxers do. However, most sensible people don’t take those fucks seriously.

Consider, instead, George Takei, Tom Morello, or Bill Nye. Do they need to shut up and sing?

@Aerdan @Elizafox

Takei slobbers over horrid Neoliberal Dems and also hates on fat people for no good reason, so yeah. He'd be pretty high up on my STFU list, since you asked.

No idea who Morello is.

Bill Nye's show has always had political overtones (though I've also heard he's kind of a putz IRL), so that's a different case since you can at least argue that it's part of his job.

Can we just agree to disagree now? I'm pretty ready to move on.

@xenophora @Elizafox

Do you know Rage Against The Machine?

@Aerdan

Do you know My Good Friend The Mute Button?

@Aerdan @xenophora @Elizafox some celebrities are anti-vaxxers. Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy, for instance.

@lyliawisteria @Elizafox true politics exist only OUTSIDE of capitalism. Otherwise it is just trampling the interests of humans by the virtually immortal, amoral, intrinsically inhuman corporations. Purpose and accountability are so sublimated in the exchange of money that no good can be reasonably expected from this. Pollution, resource depletion, wildlife empoverishment, without mentioning climate change, are the outcomes.

@4somecurious @Elizafox

politics are manufactured by politicians, who are private owners of a means of production. i don't think there is a need for politics outside of capitalist production. it's much easier to come to concensus about problems that affect all of us if we aren't constantly being bombarded with mis- and disinformation from capitalists.